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PostSubject: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 10:50 am

Why was Kremlin Dusk titled Kremlin Dusk? I've always wondered that since the title doesn't appear anywhere in the song and it's a unique title as well. Anybody have any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 11:20 am

I'm not sure, it is quite abstract. My theory is, you know how Hikki has working titles for songs before she writes the lyrics for them and gives them a proper name, I suspect that Kremlin Dusk was probably the working title and she couldn't find any lyric to use as the song's title so she kept it as it was, I think the name suits the song quite well either way.
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 11:32 am

Moved to Discussion | Questions.

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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 2:23 pm

Whoops thanks Sanosuke, I thought it belonged in Music since it had something to do with her song, but I guess not ^_^; lol thanks for correcting me.
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 7:36 pm

I actually thought of this (Click the word "this")...

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 7:53 pm

I agree with Rather Hazy. I couldn't image the song called anything else but Kremlin Dusk now cause I can't really find something from the lyrics to call it.

Plus the title sounds so mysterious, kinda like the song's atmosphere
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 11:16 pm

Donovon-Bozu wrote:
I actually thought of this (Click the word "this")...

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

That's Gremlins, different from Kremlins.....I think......
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 14, 2008 11:27 pm

questionsmakemeblue wrote:
Kremlin is like a shade of red right? like how they use to refer the communists and russians as reds or kremlins ( or something like that)

I think you're thinking of crimson

here's what wikipedia has to say about Kremlin (because as we all know, Wikipedia is the ultimate source of reliable information No )

Click Here
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 15, 2008 2:57 am

Donovon-Bozu wrote:
I actually thought of this (Click the word "this")...

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

XD I also thought of Gremlins and thought I was the only one. Guess I was wrong!
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 15, 2008 2:53 pm

A kremlin is a Russian Citadel. It means 'castle' or 'fort' in Russia. They are found in many old Russian cities. However, Kremlin in itself is sometimes specifically referred to one in Moscow.

http://www.geographia.com/russia/moscow02.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlin

Yet the song yet has nothing to do with dusk nor kremlins....
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 15, 2008 10:20 pm

I think it's called Kremlin Dusk because "Kremlin" is Russian for "castle" and "dusk" means "sunset." If you take that, it's a sunset in a castle, which could be the inferred location in The Raven, a work by Edgar Allan Poe. Eventually, the dusk turns into midnight (which is the time the raven comes in), which could be the high point in the song, then it settles back down into sunrise, resembling the time in which the raven passes away.

Really, I guess the title wraps around The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe.

(Wow, I sound smart now, don't I?)
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 15, 2008 10:23 pm

That makes really good sense... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 15, 2008 10:26 pm

Donovon-Bozu wrote:
That makes really good sense... Very Happy
ありがとう。 I did a lot of research for that one. @
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 12:31 am

That sounds like an excellent theory.
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 2:28 am

holy crap, that sounds soooo smart and makes perfect sense.
It's like your mind is on a different level...maybe even with Hikki's! lol
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 6:12 am

Great theory! Makes the song have much more meaning now!

And yes, you do sound really smart study
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 2:33 pm

Well, I'm impressed. Do I take my pants off for you now, or later?

I admit never to having read his poetry. Yet was the setting of the poem in Russia?
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 2:40 pm

No, the poem only references the main character to being in some kind of chamber. A bedroom? We may never know. But the theory makes since. Here's the original poem.

Spoiler:
 

One of the finest pieces of American literature...

Sano: Please use spoiler tags for long posts like these. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 4:36 pm

Amaterasu wrote:
Yet was the setting of the poem in Russia?
No, "Kremlin" is Russian for "castle," which, as Donovon-Bozu pointed out, this poem makes references to a chamber, so I guess it could be inferred that it's in a chamber in a castle.
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PostSubject: Re: I've always wondered...   I've always wondered... I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 16, 2008 11:56 pm

Indeed, that was a splendid piece of writing.

If Kremlin in the song's title were to be interchanged with the word castle, then I would have to ask 'why', as the word has a Russian root - there must be a reason for its placement in the title. For instance, if she somehow used an Indian word in the place of an English one in an upcoming song - I'd also have to question why. For the sake of novelty? Perhaps.

In any case, as I stated earlier (and linked to) Kremlin is often referring to the citadel of old Moscow. And aforementioned, the word kremin is Russian - thus somehow implying a link to the country?

Perhaps I read into this too deeply.

Thank you for the 'reprint' of the poem, Donovan!
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